Chaos
Space Marine Codex
As
of July 25th, CSM book is set to release in September along with the
starter (though not the same week).
General
Having
not had an extensive amount of time with the rules, from what I have
read so far, there seems to be a theme of if you want it, you can
have it, but you have to pay.
Basic CSM squads actually end up cheaper than a tactical squad if they take only 2 special weapons and their aspiring champion has bp/ccw.
It's possible, however, to clear 400 points on a 10 man squad with a transport.
There does seem to be a ton of possible army lists that can be built out of it though, and that's really exciting, but at the end of the day they're just marines and nothing has jumped off the page as 'wtf...OP' (yet)
There
are no CSM squads that can combat squad.Basic CSM squads actually end up cheaper than a tactical squad if they take only 2 special weapons and their aspiring champion has bp/ccw.
It's possible, however, to clear 400 points on a 10 man squad with a transport.
There does seem to be a ton of possible army lists that can be built out of it though, and that's really exciting, but at the end of the day they're just marines and nothing has jumped off the page as 'wtf...OP' (yet)
Does
the codex promote a mixed army, or mono god armies?
You
can get away with a mono-god list, but at that point you should be
using cult troops most likely.If you're adding havocs to your berzerker army, there's no real point in giving the havocs the mark of khorne for instance. In that sense you're varied.
It's not like 3.5 where we'll see thousand son troops with nurgle vehicles to min-max.
Undivided armies are a lot cheaper than cult marines. A lot. Playing undivided gives you many more bodies.
Marks
The
only impact on Marks is that HQ models make corresponding cult units
Troops.You can mix/match Marks and Icons.
+1T/FnP isn't as good as a Plague Marine, they're worth their points.
HQ unlocks corresponding cult troop.
Marks
are the same.
-Undivided
still reroll morale tests?
-Khorne
still Rage-Tzeentch still +1 invuln save
-Nurgle still +1T
-Slaanesh still +1I
Marks
are the same, except Khorne which is Rage, not +1 attack and has a
point decrease.
Undivided Lords get Inspiring Presence command trait, and improved reserve manipulation.
Dedicated transports get the mark of the unit they're bought for, for free. Only units with the same mark can ride in it, (so be careful).
Undivided Lords get Inspiring Presence command trait, and improved reserve manipulation.
Dedicated transports get the mark of the unit they're bought for, for free. Only units with the same mark can ride in it, (so be careful).
Undivided
vehicles can transport anyone.
Other vehicles may buy them. An example would be the mark of khorne on a predator, which gives it a dozer blade at no additional cost, and allows it to roll d6 wounds on a unit it tank shocks
Other vehicles may buy them. An example would be the mark of khorne on a predator, which gives it a dozer blade at no additional cost, and allows it to roll d6 wounds on a unit it tank shocks
Yes
icons prevent scatter
Marks
are bought per squad
CSM/Havocs/Raptors/Chosen
pay the same cost. Termies pay more.
Psychic
Powers
There
are 2 debuff spells in Nurgle and Slaanesh, 2 buff spells in
Slaanesh.
Psychic
powers are rolled, not bought specifically
Eye
of Gods
The
"eye of the Gods" table is actually several tables. First
you roll to see what table you roll on, then you roll what you get
after winning a challenge, killing a monstrous creature or walker, or
annihilating a unit in close combat.
One
of the tables is Daemonic Gifts.The chart is 6 charts of 6 options.
Units
(General)
CSM
and Cultists are Troops
Cult
units become troops with the right mark on your warlord.
No bonuses for Sacred numbers
No one comes with icons by default, cult troops get marks by default.
Khorne
Skull
Champions can take collars that give the squad and any vehicle it's
embarked in a 5+ DtW
Kharne
strikes at initiative 5, and he gained armour bane which I guess is
new. He's AP3, but for every model he kills (not wound inflicted) he
makes an additional attack at initiative 1.
Not
quite the same as warrior born as it doesn't keep growing, but it's
very devastating for someone with 8 attacks on the charge. Kharne has a 2+ Deny the witch
Kharne still hits friendly models.
khorne berserkers are AP 5
Berzerkers are 105+21/berzerker
berzerkers are 2 attacks, rage, furious charge, frag and krak grenades, bolt pistol / khornate weapon (ap5 in Close combat).
They're 5 attacks at str5 ap5 each on the charge.
They can also upgrade to have chainfists in the form of 2 handed chain-axes.
5-20
in size.
Noise
Marines
Noise
marines are overall a little bit cheaper. Sonic Blasters are 36"
salvo now. Aspiring champions have access to a whip that prevents
enemies from denying challenges. Other weapons are the same
Plague
Marines
They
are 120 for 5, + 24 for more.Poisoned only in melee. Can throw their blight grenades to reduce enemy movement speed to 2d6 pick the highest, or if already rolling d6 for whatever reason (i.e. cover, charging) pick the lowest.
Plague marines are now poison in CC. Can throw blight grenades
Thousand
Sons
Thousand
Sons come with an Aspiring Sorcerer in their basic 5 before adding
more Rubric marines.150 points for 4 Rubric marines and 1 Aspiring Sorcerer, He gets a roll included..
Unit size 4-19. 20 points per Rubric. Still slow and purposeful, unless the sorcerer is alive then relentless.
Rubric marines are 1W, 4++
Thousand Son squads are rank 1
HQ sorcerer are rank 1, can be upgraded to 2.
Mark of Tzeench on an HQ is +1 (so you can upgrade all the way to rank 3)
There is a piece of wargear that lets you reroll up to your mastery in dice after you have rolled, but only each dice once.
Ahriman
is mastery 4, can cast multiple powers per turn, gets access to
almost all lores and has a default psychic attack much like smite but
longer range that he can use in addition to his normal psychic powers
per turn.
Characters
Most
named characters are the same, but overall a point reduction. Abbadon
is the same points and does not make terminators troops.
There
are no new named characters.
I
haven't read any special character adjusting the allies chart.
Abadon
is AP2, Daemon Weapons are AP3
Daemon
Prince
Kicks
ass and takes names, but otherwise no army wide bonus's are granted
Daemon
princes are jump if they have wings.
Chaos
Space Marine
70
for 5, 14 for each additional marine.Aspiring Champion is a 10 point upgrade.
Come with bolter/bp/ccw
For
every 5 models in the squad you get a special weapon. If the squad is
10 or more, one model can exchange a flamer(5 pts) for a Heavy
Bolter, meltagun(10 points) for an Autocannon or Missile Launcher or
a plasmagun(15 points) for a Lascannon.
Marks range from 10-50 points, Icons range from 10-40 points.
Cultists
Cultists
are 4 points each and come in squads of 10-30. They can have any
combination of autoguns (str3 ap-) or auto pistol ccw (str 3 ap-)
They
can take special weapons, but not heavy weapons.
They
respond very well to dark apostles getting an extra benefit when one
is in their unit.
Zombie
cultists aren't scoring and cannot be joined by Characters (even with
the mark of nurgle)
No
traitor guard. Just cultists.
Cultists
cannot platoon, but you can take up to 30 of them in the first place.
Terminators
Will Terminators be able to be given both marks and icons to essentially be cult terminators?
Will Terminators be able to be given both marks and icons to essentially be cult terminators?
Yes,
but it's expensive. Taking both increases the cost of the second and
Terminators pay more in the first place.
Terminators
pay 50% more for marks. Taking an icon if you already have a mark
costs an extra 20 points
Possessed
Possessed
get to buy (not roll) up to 3 boons from the Eye of Gods table.
Maulers
(Elites)
str5/t5,
2+/5++, Once per turn can combination of 2:
power weapon, power fist, lightning claw
Each mauler chooses individually.
power weapon, power fist, lightning claw
Each mauler chooses individually.
1-3.
Maulers cannot deep strike, but are not slow and purposeful.
Dark
Apostles
Yes
daemons can be summoned to your CSM icons if you have a dark apostle.
War
Smiths
war
smiths who can restore hull points
Chaos
Dragon (Fast Attack)
The
only flyer in the codex
Dragon Takes out other flyers with a ranged attack
its 12/11/10 170pts
Fast Attack
Dragon Takes out other flyers with a ranged attack
its 12/11/10 170pts
Fast Attack
the
flyer you get is retardedly good at blowing up things that are
zooming.
Bikes
Bikes get nothing new, just CSM on bikes with combi-bolters instead of bolters.
Bikes get nothing new, just CSM on bikes with combi-bolters instead of bolters.
Raptors
Raptors
still have access to special weapons, only the aspiring champion can
take special melee weapons. They are reduced in points.
The Night Lord's raptors are a lot like vanguard (they cannot charge on deep strike though), but they have 2 attacks base + dual power weapons (ap3) with the shred special rule and are 35 points each.
The Night Lord's raptors are a lot like vanguard (they cannot charge on deep strike though), but they have 2 attacks base + dual power weapons (ap3) with the shred special rule and are 35 points each.
Dreadnoughts
They
can take marks
The
mark of khorne for instance gives it Rage and a unique weapon option
much-like blood talons except it's a giant rotary saw.
Obliterators
(heavy Support)
Predators
No
new turret options for predators.
New
Siege Engine (heavy support)
The
siege engine has a melta blast template.
Defilers
They're
the same except they have the Daemon special rule, 4 hull points and
a 5+ invulnerable save.
Havocs
Havocs,
CSM and chosen squads can take autocannons
Vindicator
Daemonicly
possessed vindicators I think will be in every list, with their
ability to potentially regenerate destroyed weapons at start of the
chaos player's turn
Vehicles
There
is a sound-based vehicle upgrade but it's more of a Word Bearers item
than Slaanesh.
There
is a sonic upgrade for tanks, but it's not a noise-marine thing.
no
chaos razorbacks, just combi-weapons
No
drop pods
There
is a new land raider, it's a lot like a crusader.
12 capacity for the basic, 16 capacity for the new one.
12 capacity for the basic, 16 capacity for the new one.
New
Land Raider can ram fortifications and you can launch an assault on
the occupants, except that you don't consolidate at the end, you
remain locked in combat.
If the enemy unit flees they immediately exit the terrain. If the door is blocked (by your land raider for instance), they count as having been caught ala Sweeping Advance
If the enemy unit flees they immediately exit the terrain. If the door is blocked (by your land raider for instance), they count as having been caught ala Sweeping Advance
Fortifications
There
are no new fortifications but there is a unique upgrade to
fortifications.
Misc.
Don't
know about upgrades being finecast. I know that there is intent to
upgrade the basic CSM box to support all the cult troops to be able
to achieve any of the weapon combinations from the entries (including
everyone having soundblasters).
Daemon
Weapons are AP3 and pretty different now, you still wrestle with
them. I think its a matter of preference.
The
"Hatred: Space Marines" rule....is it ALL Space Marines
(Chaos and Loyalist), just Loyalist, or just Vanilla?
Just
imperial loyalist.
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